A Jew, An Arab, An Irishman and A Frenchman Walk Into a Bar

Speaker 1: 0:08

Hello everyone and welcome back to the Curious Ulsterman podcast, the podcast designed to equip you with the tools and wisdom you need to thrive as an adult. I am your host, johnny aka the Curious Ulsterman, and in today's episode I am joined by my good friend and co-host, nathan Senior. And today we celebrate the 50th episode of the Curious Ulsterman podcast, so join us with a drink, a cup of tea or coffee. A big thank you to everyone who's been with us on this journey so far and thank you if you've listened in for the first time today. But without further delay, folks, here is our 50th episode. Hey brother, how's it going?

Speaker 2: 0:48

Hello Johnny, I'm really good Thanks. How are you?

Speaker 1: 0:51

Love and life and, as always, life's better when I see your lovely grid in my Zoom.

Speaker 2: 0:56

Thank you, two kind, two kind.

Speaker 1: 1:00

Yeah, and a big welcome to audience all down you to the Curious Ulsterman's 50th episode. Yeah, I know, incredible and I could have done something big with this. I could have maybe done some sort of live stream, I could have done anything really. But you know what? We've both got full-time jobs, there's lots going on in the world and you know what? I just personally couldn't think of a better way to celebrate the 50th episode than to enjoy just a nice conversation with a friend over a nice whiskey. So this episode, folks, we've brought you 49 episodes of good content telling you hopefully you've learned how to adult better, you've learned useful skills that will help you thrive as an adult. But to be totally frank with you, folks, this episode is just going to be a chat shit episode. It's going to be just whatever comes out. Comes out. We're going full Joe Rogan on this one. We're just going to have a nice conversation with friends.

Speaker 2: 2:01

I mean, I've learned how to improve my CV, so you know.

Speaker 1: 2:05

Yeah, yeah, I was actually talking to Dylan Bain. He made his fourth appearance recently on how to make your first budget, which is our longest ever episode, at two hours.

Speaker 2: 2:15

Yeah, I've not made it all the way through. I'm three quarters of the way through.

Speaker 1: 2:21

Yeah, his episode he done on how to do well in a job interview is still hands down by a country mile the most downloaded episode ever on the podcast. Yeah, amazing, by a country mile. It's like there's not even a competition between first and second place. Excellent, it was like you see him bolt trying to race against I don't know kids. The kids are somewhere in the dust back here and he's just making another world record. It's not even fair.

Speaker 2: 2:50

Has he laughed them twice?

Speaker 1: 2:52

Yeah, it may as well have done. Yeah, it's been an awesome journey, man. I'm so glad I started it and we already covered an episode on if you want to become a podcaster with my mate, Chad Robson. He's kicking off his own podcasting business now, so you know you can go and check that out Like you've got your own podcast now. It's just who default Like. Who default Like. When we first met Nathan, like what? 10 years ago, 11 years ago, we both made like sat here, zoom with the talking about our podcasts. Like life is just so strange, isn't it?

Speaker 2: 3:29

With a pair of microphones. Put in the world to rights.

Speaker 1: 3:31

Yeah, exactly Exactly. If only we were in charge.

Speaker 2: 3:37

I mean, I managed to crawl my way over 1500 downloads the other week.

Speaker 1: 3:41

Congratulations man Fantastic.

Speaker 2: 3:44

Which is 1,498 downloads, more than I thought I'd ever get.

Speaker 1: 3:49

Yeah, man. Well, I'm so proud of you. I mean, I've been fortunate enough to call you a friend for more than a decade now and learn so much from you and get so much wisdom and value from this podcast because you've been on it and then I'm not really surprised, to be honest, even though your podcast is very niche, shall we say. The fact that you know. The way someone put it to me was if you ever feel discouraged about your podcast and your downloads, imagine the amount of people, imagine the amount of downloads that you have, and all them people are stood in front of you and suddenly you go oh my God, you know what I mean. Even like one episode let's say an episode gets anywhere between 30 and 50 downloads or whatever. That's still 30 to 50 people yeah, In front of you, listening to what you have to say, and you're tuning consistently every week and then if you've got, you know, 2,000 downloads, that's 2,000 people you've like, chatted to, like us just incredible.

Speaker 2: 4:50

Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. No, I was. It's a really strange medium, isn't it? Because it's kind of even being a guest on your podcast, never mind hosting my own but like listening to a podcast, you know it's much more. I don't know, I feel like you're a bit I'm a bit more picky about that than, say, like listening to like a radio show A hundred percent and who you're inviting, if you like, into your ears. And if you listen to people consistently, you start to sort of like learn their character and pick up on their humor and they're like they're some of their traits and things and you start to feel like you know you're part of what they've got going on and it's a really curious, intimate thing.

Speaker 1: 5:34

You read my mind. It is much more intimate, isn't it, you know? But in not in a creepy way, like if you had something whispering in your ear. You're like, oh, I get away you creep, whereas you know you, you're inviting someone to whisper in your ear every week, unless you're into ASMR.

Speaker 2: 5:50

I mean, no, we don't shame people here, but you know you're a hundred percent right, man.

Speaker 1: 5:57

Yeah, it's just. It is just so strange, isn't it, how I had no ambition for this to like take off massively, like within the first two years, or a year and a bit, into podcasting, and you and I, in a perfect world, love to do this for many more years. And, you know, hopefully by that time we built up, you know, a decent, decent listener. I say decent, that's the wrong word to use. You know our listeners who've been with us from the start. We love you all. Well, what I mean by decent is a large number of people consistently. You know we're talking tens of thousands. But to the loyal band of listeners from literally all over the world who have tuned in consistently, I am eternally grateful. It still blows my mind that for some reason you tune in every week, and I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but clearly you find value in the bramblings of a curious old-stream and a jolly Viking. So, yeah, eternally grateful and thankful, I'm glad that you consistently get value out of this show. So, yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to this show only getting bigger and better and, of course, the audience coming along for the ride, and I look forward to seeing yours take off in good time as well. You know, obviously yours is targeted for a particular audience, but that particular audience, if last time I checked, counted for about 1.4 billion people, if you're going to, go niche go large. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. What do you think was your most enjoyable moment on the podcast so far? Like, do you want me for me? I don't even have. I don't think I have one specific enjoyable moment. I think that's just that collection. For me, that's the random collection of moments where I actually ate from laughter. Like I have to compose myself on the mic because either you've said something really funny or I has triggered a memory in my mind, like probably up there, if I was forced to pick one, like walk the plank or pick a memory Glaswegian Sasquatch from our memory Coming into your own. The final episode, I think it was, or is it courage, I can't remember but discussing that moment where we thought we were going to get eaten by Glaswegian Sasquatch in the Scottish Highlands. That's just that, and you know what I was talking to. John Bow, after his most recent episode, he came on into the wild and he said he was in the car with his son and he laughed and he laughed and he laughed to his sense. He was nearly. Tears were rolling down his eyes he said. And he said I was so glad we talked about that because he completely forgotten about it. And he said his son was in the car at the time. He had a good laugh on it as well. Glaswegian, we even said that would be. There need to be our mascot or an official band name, wouldn't it?

Speaker 2: 8:55

Yes, yeah, I mean, it would be a great folk band name. Let's be honest, it would be so good, or a metal band name, you know 100% man.

Speaker 1: 9:04

What do you think was your favourite moment from the past 50 episodes, or is there a particular episode that stood out for you?

Speaker 2: 9:11

I think if I remove the episodes that I've been in. I think you know, when I've tuned in and listened to the back and forth that you've had with other people, it's kind of the genuine joy that you've taken in every single one of your guests.

Speaker 1: 9:33

All right OK.

Speaker 2: 9:34

It's so obviously there, no matter who it is, who your guest is. When I'm listening to you talking to them and it's kind of like you know being able to tell that you haven't kind of prescripted anything. You are, as I'm hearing it, as a listener, you are hearing it as a presenter, as a host, and so reacting to what someone says the same way you know, like as you're reacting, so like when you had the woman on who was talking about health and fitness.

Speaker 1: 10:08

Oh, Charlotte Fisher.

Speaker 2: 10:09

And she came out with some line like all right, you know, all right, deidre, and you barely laughed as she kind of did this joke, and I think I was walking down the street and there were strangers on the other side of the road walking in the opposite direction and I laughed with you and they looked at me and I just had to keep on walking, and so I think I think that's been kind of my. My overall enjoyment really is being how organic each episode has been as I'm listening to it, I'm, I'm going on the journey with you.

Speaker 1: 10:43

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:45

And I've really appreciated that a lot and I think, yeah, like you just said, just one line is, you know, when you've had so many guests who've dropped in like, just like wisdom bombs, all 100 percent, yeah. And and just hearing when someone said something, you're like that is, that is a real nugget that's just been thrown out there. I need to grab hold of that and really digest it.

Speaker 1: 11:09

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:10

Muse on it for a little while.

Speaker 1: 11:12

Yeah, I think from that Charlotte Fisher episode. I'd love to get her back on the podcast discuss other nutrition and food related things. But I think that one liner you're referencing and I've marked the episode as explicit anyway. But if it's that we're talking about, all people make so many like plans and I've got to do this, exactly this and that, and she's like stop wanking the plan, just do something. That was the one.

Speaker 2: 11:37

Yes, oh, it's like right.

Speaker 1: 11:41

Yes, oh God, that's still actually. That still tickles me to this day. It's so weird.

Speaker 2: 11:47

Yeah, and I was out in public amongst real people, you know, I heard that line. I can't imagine, if you were driving listening to that, that that could end well, you know, you know, yeah, oh man, it's just so unexpected, it just comes out of nowhere.

Speaker 1: 12:06

Oh yeah, it was. It was such go. I was like it totally caught me off guard. I was like it's one of those lines on your suit. You're trying to laugh, but then you have to remember you're trying to present a podcast and you're like compose yourself.

Speaker 2: 12:21

I think actually, as I was listening to it, I think I grabbed my phone in my pocket and just sent it to you, didn't I Just that line?

Speaker 1: 12:26

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:28

It was magical.

Speaker 1: 12:31

Yes, so I spent some magical moments on this podcast. Oh, God. Yeah, I'm so glad that you know you came along for the ride. I've said this before on like several episodes that you know you were like the only option. I'm not obviously not discrediting my friends. I love you all. But at the same time I thought, if Nathan says no, this is going to be a one man show. I was like, fuck, but likely you agreed.

Speaker 2: 12:57

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 12:57

Yeah, man, it was.

Speaker 2: 12:59

I think it takes a very I don't know For me when I'm like going back to what was said at the beginning about because you do, you pick the podcast you want to listen to in a very specific or for a very specific reason, and I generally tend to avoid ones where it's just a person talking. Yeah, you know, they've got to be some kind of charismatic wizard for me to want to listen to just one person talk. I much prefer ones where it's two, three people bouncing. You know the conversations flowing and so you know it's been a real privilege and a, you know you're a humbling privilege to be, to be part of this with you, for the episodes I've been on and to and to be that other voice that people are listed to. Yeah, that's. You know, that's a and that really kind of yeah, it's been good and it's added a, it's forced me to think and to and to come. You know why do I think that certain thing? Or you know, why do you know to go back and look and is it just something I've always thought was a good idea or I just accepted and never thought about?

Speaker 1: 14:13

Yeah, 100%. I was thinking about this earlier today myself in that, if you know, forces you to really articulate yourself well, because if you're going to put yourself out there on the airwaves and people are going to hear this, it's as we've said before you are exposing yourself to potential criticism and praise. And you know, you've obviously got these Twitter amoebas and zygots who are waiting with bated breath to wait for you to say something slightly wrong, would be taken out of context, you know, and cancel you because you said a wrong or it was a wrong word or a sentence that's been misconstrued. So I can understand why a lot of people don't want to stick their neck out, you know, if they feel, especially if they're in a position of they can't afford to lose their jobs and that kind of thing. And you know it's been a very, it's been a very good experience for me to grow up I would say I was already pretty mature but I think that being on a podcast articulating your ideas and coming across people who I think if I was to really sit down, my guess I'd probably would all roughly share the sea of opinions, even though if you really sat down, we probably are different spectrums of the political divide. Everyone no one's ever exactly, you know sees IDI. But the fact that every it shows that, despite what the news says or what clickbaits articles say on the internet, that everybody's at each other's throats, there's actually some real goodness in this world. We've a lot more in common than we have, you know, apart and yeah, it's, it's. It's forced me to really solidify my values really, you know, understand my view on the world and to articulate it in such a way that others can try and see it with as much transparency as possible. So I think I would come out and say I think everybody at least once needs to start a podcast. Even if it's a you only if you, only if you only ever make 10 episodes and it's just sitting around drinking with friends because a, that'd be really funny memories to look back on and think, gosh, that's funny, or like how naive we were. Just it's funny, it's nostalgic, but on the other hand, if it's something you really enjoy, man, the value you'll get from it. I mean, like I would, I would podcast with you to eternity and I, even if nobody tuned in, it'd be like I still get the chat with my mate. You know what I mean, oh thank you.

Speaker 2: 16:45

Yeah, I get that, and I think also something else that you brought up there, which is if your belief or ideal or whatever, if it's so wobbly or fragile that you can't hear a contradictory or opposing thought, does it really have value? Yeah, exactly Like if you can't hear it without getting angry or without like screaming someone down. Does your point have any value? You know is like. You know, like, and I think like, let's go to something that for me is really massive. Ok, like you know the way you would, you would stand in the atheistic camp and I stand in the theistic camp and for me that's, that's a massive thing. I'm not going to. You know, when you present your those that you're like that stoic outlook. Yeah it doesn't sort of leave me shaking to my core or questioning my beliefs. So you know, and. But at the same time I've like, well, yeah, everything he said is cool. Like you know, that's fine. Do you see where I mean? And I like I think that you know and a podcast, and especially the style of podcast that you're going for, lends itself to that, Because I think you've gone on a quest to enhance your own knowledge in everything and in the end, but what you've done is, it's sort of as part of that question, you've you've shared that knowledge with your listeners 100%, and I think that's been really exciting. So I think you know that anyone, from any walk of life, any political or ideological outlook or whatever, could listen to this and get value from it, even if they don't share 90% of your thoughts or opinions or ideas or whatever. Yeah, you know, because it's kind of, it's not. You're not pushing your agenda, you're going on a journey, trying to discover new stuff.

Speaker 1: 18:45

Yeah, no, 100%. As much as I love giving value to the audience, this podcast I mean I would do it if nobody listened purely because I'm learning so much and I'm growing and by talking to so many different people, it forces you to really examine not only who you are, but the life you were brought up in and the presumptions you've always had about the universe, your culture, your religion, your lack of it, your whatever you know and we covered a lot of this in our Escaping your Matrix episode. But at the same time, I love the fact that I've had I've gotten to chat to a famous tech talker. I've gotten to chat to a nutritionist. I would get to chat with you all the time, which is nice. I get to chat with you. I chatted with a lot of weird and wonderful people and I plan to only bring on a lot of more weird, wonderful and semi famous people on in the future. That's great and expand my knowledge even more and become a more well rounded individual in the process and ultimately then, by having those conversations, bring value to our dedicated audience, who tune in week in, week out, from all over the world. And you know, I sometimes think to myself, nathan hopefully not sounding too aloof that if there's somebody's having a bad day or a bad week and they know for a fact that our next episode is coming out, I'm sure you see that they can look forward to it and go. I don't know what's coming next, but it's going to be something wholesome or funny or serious, but with a lesson behind it. You know, it's something that I feel really privileged that I'm in a position to actually do this. Yeah, and you know, I think everybody wins. I get to learn, I get to chat with yourself, I get to meet new people, meet new, new ideas, get my own ideas challenged. But yeah, what do you think?

Speaker 2: 20:48

Yeah, I love it. I love the idea of being like a, like a waypoint in someone's week. You know so, like. You know like if you remember the old computer game things where you know you're tracking along and you get to a point where a flag goes up. So you know, if you fall over you go back to that flag. You know that. You know that through by being a podcast, you know you kind of you know, for those people who are, who are checking in regularly and listening and, like you said, I've got something to look forward to, no matter you know if they're weeks really great or if they're weeks a bit naff and everything in between, you're like a checkpoint in their week. You know what a? I mean that's a privilege in itself, isn't it Like what a thing there, 100% yeah, and the fact that you know that they're I don't know. So like, for example for me, like the, the, the um, the episode on on buying your first car and going through all the checks and everything like that, yeah, um, it wasn't the most thrilling episode for me, but I listened to it and I was like I've still learned something. There was stuff I didn't know there, um, and, and then, and then going to like other ones where I didn't think I was going to get anything from it at all and coming away going. No, actually, that was really. That was really interesting, like yeah, yeah. And and and I've, really I've liked that because I mean for me, I know you published them on a on on a Tuesday and I've already told you this. I save it for Friday. Um, and I, you know, and I, I listened to the Curious System on a Friday afternoon. Um, when I'm, because I, I, I walked to church to open up the building for our youth group on a Friday night and I put my headphones in and I walked down the hill and I listened to the Curious System because I found out an average episode and let's go, she's gone crazy roughly lasts the walk from my house to church. So I can, I can, I can, I can get an episode of usually, except for there's a couple where I've had to press pause and come back to it later.

Speaker 1: 22:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah, be sure to deal and be in on our longest ever episode.

Speaker 2: 23:00

But like, but for me it's that. That's the thing that I really, because I really look forward to my Friday evenings of engaging with the young people who come to my church. But actually what I've you know what I really it's kind of like. For me it's a double helping of goodness, cause I look forward to listening to your dulcet tones and then engaging with with my young people. So it's a real for me. My fry is an absolute boom, you know so yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:27

It's interesting. When you said it's nice to be a waypoint someone's week, I could not help but think of when I used to play Skyrim and used to have those those waypoints in the bar. But I was like, yeah, I don't know why my brain, but my semi drunk brain, suddenly went to Skyrim there. But you know, happy times yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:46

But I mean, that's what it is, isn't it? You know, when you like, so it's kind of now, like with through my week I'll be. You know, I don't know how many you listen to, but I've got a. I keep. I basically I've almost run out of space on my phone because of the podcast I'm subscribed to, but but I, you know, but I know that there's like the certain ones that are Monday ones, tuesday ones and so on, and and I know you publish on Tuesday and I know, like cause you forwarded me the article that explains why you should publish it on that day and at that time, and so I know why you do it. But but knowing that it's there, it's downloaded, but it's waiting for me on a Friday, is a real like joyful moment for me, if you like.

Speaker 1: 24:33

So yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad that is the case for you, man, and you know it's. It still baffles me, like I still remember and I'm sure I don't know if this is the same for you, but it only really hit me that I had a podcast when I seen it on Spotify. That was the first time I went oh my God, I, I, I've got a spot, I've got a podcast and it's on Spotify. The same platform is all these weird and wonderful and highly famous people. It's like, yeah, I don't care, I'm like off the charts, as in, like you're not even on the charts. Yeah, the same platform was Harry and Megan. Yeah, exactly, it's like, but like you're, you're like 10,000 from the list of podcasts. I don't care, I'm on Spotify. You may as well have handed me a Grammy.

Speaker 2: 25:24

Well, I mean, for me, it's when, cause like cause, mine, mine go out on a Monday morning, and it's when I, when I wake up on a Monday morning and I've got the little icon in the top corner that says Google podcasts, and he's like this this podcast is now available. I'm like, oh, that's mine.

Speaker 1: 25:39

Oh, that's weird.

Speaker 2: 25:40

Oh weird, yeah Like yeah, I'm actually legitimately on a Google search, which is quite a, you know, for me is a weird.

Speaker 1: 25:47

It is. It's like the first time you get like they always say don't Google yourself, but you do it just to see like how, like how it shows up on the Google search engine Like, oh my God, there it is. You're like this is like insane.

Speaker 2: 26:01

But it's also with the. I mean, I'm sure you've you've gone through this, but it's kind of resisting the urge every time you switch a laptop on to not go and check you download statistics yeah, 100%. And you kind of like it's not like it's not that important, nathan, just let it go. And then, subconsciously, you've gone. Oh, I've opened the page, like you're looking at your right hand, like you've betrayed me Because you know I'd sat down to go and do something else. I wanted to go to my online banking and instead I've got to check my stats on what is this. But, like you know, it's. It's that kind of it's that moment where you go in hold on a minute. Someone in Hong Kong is listening to this. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1: 26:49

It's, it's so, it's so weird, isn't it yeah?

Speaker 2: 26:53

In a lovely way.

Speaker 1: 26:54

In a lovely way, we're not saying we're not giving grief to the audience, but it's so weird to think there's people on the other side of the planet deliberately pulling out their phone, deliberately looking for this podcast. I'm pressing play and then listening to it for the next hour, 45 minutes, whatever, and it's yeah. Man, it's crazy Like.

Speaker 2: 27:15

But, but then it's kind of I mean, that's the beauty, isn't it, I suppose, of of the internet age, of the age that we're living in, that you know two blokes from Britain who spend most of the time scratching their head wondering what on earth's going on. I've managed to you know, like I don't know, that someone else from, like you say, the other side of the world, is taking value from what they're talking about.

Speaker 1: 27:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:40

That is really, you know, that's great and it's humbling, but it's, you know, it's kind of wonderful. I know, you know you're like wow, how, how cool is that? You know that I, I'm, I'm in someone else's ears. Yeah, on the other side of the world, you know, but also the same time for me, for my podcast, the, the the biggest concentration of downloads is is from, like, this town and round about here where I live, yeah, yeah, and and that's also quite nice, you know it is, isn't it, you know, as as much as it is kind of it's wonderful that there's people from all over the world, but it's kind of like, oh, there's people right here who are also taking value from what I'm doing, you know, and that's really yeah, I think that's a great thing about podcasting, I think, like and I think the other thing as well is is that it's kind of there's something for everybody out there there's. You know, I want, you know the there isn't. I would say probably every topic is covered. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:49

Yeah, you're, you are probably right on that one. I mean, there's too many podcasts to listen to. I mean, like I've probably subscribed to 50 podcasts and I probably listened to maybe two or three of them because at some point I've went that sounds interesting. And then, like I listened to the first episode a little bit. It's like, oh, or, there's been a case where I've subscribed to your podcast and then I actually went to listen to it, listen to say, binged, it did seven or eight episodes and then they're giving up. They're one of that. Yeah, they're part of this, you know, they're part of that. Like 97% statistic. Don't last for the two years. Wow, okay, yeah, yeah, which, when you think about it, you're in the top 50% of the podcast, and so am I, because you're like, lasted more than what? 20 episodes or something. 21, 21, 21. Oh, I see you celebrating a milestone as well. There you go. Double celebration, I like it. I like it, man. I've got a long way to go before.

Speaker 2: 29:44

I'm anywhere near the class of the curious oh.

Speaker 1: 29:48

I don't know. I think you're by 50. You're 50% of it at the minute. You may as well be an honor everybody honorable, all sermon at this point, but yeah, man, it's. It has been good Now it's been. It has been a cool experience overall the whole podcasting thing. But I think it seeps into other areas of life as well. It's definitely been a step and stone into, like the standup comedy for sure, and you know it's definitely had so many transferable skills in better confidence with public speaking. I already was pretty confident with public speaking but you know for certain it's definitely allowed me to articulate myself better and in a lot of ways it has also increased my confidence in so many levels, and what I mean by that is I felt already pretty confident in myself and I was confident in my own way. But I think it still takes a certain amount of minerals to, you know, get on a podcast and start chatting Like, yeah, I don't know, actually you probably didn't experience it because you had so much practice coming on my podcast, but I know I actually listened to my first ever episode. I think it was two weeks ago, because I was just going through the catalog and I was like, actually I just knew. I just want to do a compare and contrast. And, oh man, like now they had to go in A and E. I cringe that hard and my face was like, oh my God, the first episode wasn't bad, but you can definitely tell that I was not at home in the mic, I was not at home in the camera. But obviously, 50 episodes in, it is a lot more natural to just say what's on your mind and especially like, certainly in the first few episodes I definitely had loads of notes to cover it. It was very bright, as now, same as yourself you just you have a rough idea of what you're going to talk about and you just flew. It's like, yeah, man, it's so good, I think.

Speaker 2: 31:42

I think, the more you do it, you learn to trust your guests as well.

Speaker 1: 31:46

Yeah, man, 100% Like yeah, yeah, I'm confident with the guests that bring on me and I also go like especially some with some early guests. Just because you're so just new to it, you're like I don't know if that was a good thing or not. What they just did or said. It's like, frankly, it's all been good. But yeah, man, it's yeah 100%. How have you, how do you think you've benefited from being a guest on a podcast and having your own podcast now?

Speaker 2: 32:15

I think being a guest, I think the biggest benefit I had from being specifically being a guest for you was that it did get me into that mindset of thinking about podcasting and it kind of it gave me up for when it was kind of when the roles were reversed and all of a sudden I'm the host and I have a guest and from your free and easy manner that you welcomed me into your podcast, I was able to take that and bounce that forward into into my podcast and I think that, like that, I liked your idea of having more than one voice, of having different views, different ideas, and so, although, like you know, my podcast is very Christian faith orientated, every episode I have a different guest. So it's not the same message, it's not the same. You know it's not just rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. You know it's and there's bounce and there's, and there's been a couple of guests where afterwards you know when you, when you're going through it afterwards you're going. I really don't think I should publish this. This is awful. Yeah, you'll always get that, don't you? Well, there's only been one or two, there's only been one or two. That for me personally, where I've gone, oh man, I should just bend this and find someone else and apologize to the person that, oh, it didn't record properly or something. I thought I can't do that because I'm supposed to be a Christian, so you just have to stick with it. And from from being a guest and you know a recurring guest with you was just that easy manner and also the how you give people space to fully say what they're trying to say. You know you never cut someone off mid sentence ago. I think what you're trying to say is yeah, which is a really in trade you give people the airtime to fully express themselves and I kind of took that away and tried to work that into what I'm doing. And so I think you know, I think you know, like you were saying that you know you, you felt like you had confidence. But I think actually, if you were like you were saying, going back to listen to episode one, to, let's say, episode 49, let's not include this one you know your confidence has clearly grown. Yeah, and you're you know and you're and, like I say, it's not just confidence in you, it's your confidence in the guests, because I think you're, you're personally, you're purposefully looking for talent.

Speaker 1: 35:06

Yeah, yeah, 100%, right, yeah, which is why you're on the show every week.

Speaker 2: 35:13

You're reaching out to your Thank you. Good to speak, honestly, give me an ego, but here's one for you then. So we're at episode 50. What's your vision for the next 50 episodes then?

Speaker 1: 35:33

For the next 50,. I've already got an idea of who I would like for episode 100. Which I'll not discuss now. I keep you all in suspense. For the short term, I would be looking at doing some more very hard-hitting series. There's been a few subjects I've been a bit weary of tackling. I think it's time to throw caution to the wind and just crack on. For example, short term, I think the next series that we've already discussed doing is the Hero's Journey one. We'll do some research into that and maybe try and read a book before we even discuss that. I would like to be somewhat informed on the subject before we commit to talking about something like that In the medium term. I think something that a lot of people want to talk about but they're too scared to talk about is sex, especially when you are 18. To wherever age you leave university 24 or something. That's a weird time to be an adult. There's a podcast that I listened to. I don't know why it came up in my suggested feed. That's why it was on trending, that's right. It was a really massively trending podcast. It was called shameless sex podcast. I thought, okay, interesting title, let's have a listen. They talk about, obviously, sex shamelessly. There's some episodes I go that's really useful information. There's other episodes I go yeah, this is a bit full. This is full on, isn't it? I'm like, right In the medium time, how many times have we ever had that conversation, especially when you're 18 to 21,. You're just kind of left. Apart from the dodgy sex education you were fed at school, or not at all, depending where you are in the world. It's something I feel like I've been worried to tackle it because I personally have felt awkward about it. Obviously, chatting with your mates is not an awkward thing or whatever, but you're going to go on the air and you're going to talk about that kind of thing. It has a real potential to turn awkward very quickly, whereas I think I've yet to reach out to them. But it's definitely something I would like to do. A series on that. Talking frankly, the first episode let's talk about shameless sex. There's a lot of people who go to university never lost their virginity. It's like well, let's talk about that, let's remove the stigma around that kind of thing, because there is a certain stigma around that oh, you've got to lose it and you've got to do this and you've got to do that. It's like, well, okay, let's have a chat about it, because if you sort of go into it and I know for a lot of guys, if we're speaking totally transparent the only indication they have of it is porn hub. That is not healthy in any regard for both boys or girls to go. Yeah, that's how sex actually goes. Obviously, there's obviously them very mentally damaging effects of it as well. I think that an honest conversation around that kind of thing with experts and then maybe the next episode talk about STDs, next episode talk about other weird and wonderful things, and it's like creating a series where you don't feel comfortable having these conversations with, say, your parents or your guardians or whatever, but you can tune into your podcast privately and listen to people talk about it and it can alleviate some fears, anxieties, that kind of thing. That's in the medium term. So that's one subject that's really cool man. Yeah, but can you see what I'm talking about in that this is a subject that is so badly needed to be talked about? But, speaking transparently, my own ego got in the way of that, because I sort of thought to myself right, if I try and tackle these subjects, and it's not just like sex or anything like that I don't know, there could be other topics out there that I currently can't think about but if I did think about it and go, right, should I bring a guest on for this? But this could potentially be an awkward conversation, but if I say something silly and you can't edit out of the episode and you look, it's my own ego getting in the way, but instead the audience are being deprived of potentially really valuable content that they need to hear. Yeah, so it's a case of me setting my ego aside and going well, in fact, it's true, I'll probably learn something from every episode, of course, yeah, and it's also a subject, sorry, do you think so?

Speaker 2: 40:43

like, just like, with like, mental health is very much on trend at the minute.

Speaker 1: 40:47

Oh, 100%. I'm thinking this, it is.

Speaker 2: 40:49

Yeah, and I'm not saying that in a negative way, I'm glad it is and it's kind of like now it's kind of almost, dare I say, you're without excuse for everything that's out there about mental health and where to go and who to go to, yeah, and even as an individual, how to one appraise and deal with your own or how to help someone else. There's so much stuff out there, 100%, and I'm saying that in a good way. But like there isn't the same thing for sex, sexual health. There's been things we're at the minute it's kind of that's now taken a backseat to mental health and it's kind of an and even though there have been like stuff for it, it's still very much in the embarrassing and awkward place. Yeah, other than in a way, human. It's what humans do, so let's just deal with it.

Speaker 1: 41:49

Yeah, yeah, exactly yeah. It is a uniquely British thing, an American thing, I think as well to be somewhat embarrassed about it, but outside the Anglosphere it's very obviously. Other countries in Europe are very liberal and it is like this is literally just a part of life. And my tribe are probably should blame for that Funny old thing I did see a meme is not the correct way to put it, but it was like a little infographic on like, apparently, our prudishness as a people in the Anglosphere came from the Puritans. Apparently, like before the Puritans, it was like everybody was quite liberal, you know. Everybody was like naked in, like lakes and stuff and just happily washing away, and then Puritans are like no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not how it's persisted today, because I mean, like, on a slightly different topic, you know, there is body shaming as well. That's a topic I think that's well worth discussing, getting somebody on to talk about, because, you know, but between body shaming and then hopefully get the short of fish or that nutrition is, back on to talk about eating disorders, you know, because you know again, these are, these are not comfortable conversations to have. But what's the point of me doing this show if I said that I'm here to have the conversations that you're not having or we don't talk about and then just sticking to the comfortable topics and just being a bit of a hypocrite in that way? What's the point? I don't. It doesn't serve the audience. That won't serve me because I mean I'll learn something in the process, even if it's subjects or topics I've never personally had to deal with or suffer from. So, yeah, I think, to answer your question, short term, there's going to be this really good series. I'm looking forward to the hero's journey with yourself in the long term, medium to long term starting to tackle a lot of subjects that I've been resistant to tackling because of either potential backlash or potential awkwardness. But I think that's again the fear element within myself going OK is this are you doing this because there's the real potential for this to go bad? Are you doing this because it's going to potentially make you look bad and I'm like well, it's clearly the latter. You know, I like to think my, I like to think I'm an all round good guy. At the same time, I everyone has an ego, a positive and a negative ego, and it's a case of. I think it doesn't serve our beloved audience who truly have tuned in for 50 episodes so far all over the world and, granted, I'd like to think we produced a lot of wholesome content, but it's I think it's time to evolve and to start at a really like, really flesh out the full potential of this podcast to really have the conversations that people need to hear.

Speaker 2: 44:50

I was just thinking as well. If you put yourself in the, into the mindset of a listener, if you're going through some kind of issue, it's going to take a lot of guts to go into the comments section of something that's got your name on it and go here. Could you talk about this subject?

Speaker 1: 45:06

Yes.

Speaker 2: 45:08

Whereas actually, if we could, if you cover something and someone's one of your listeners, you just like finally, you know I've been needing to, I've been needing this subject to be covered.

Speaker 1: 45:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:21

And you know, you just never know dear. You know you just never know that someone's going to listen to that.

Speaker 1: 45:26

And you know it's going to.

Speaker 2: 45:27

You know, like you know, lift the veil on something for them and help shine some light on something you know.

Speaker 1: 45:33

Yeah, no, you're 100% right. There's definitely an episode I want to cover and I don't even know how I'm going to do it because I cannot physically articulate like even what it would be called or what it would cover. But it's kind of like dealing with how surreal life can be at times. So, yeah, so like, for example, I received some bad news, unfortunately on Friday, that a girl I used to run about with her, her two brothers and all my friends back home, unfortunately she passed away. Yeah, I know, but she was young, like I think, like which of my 29. So I think she was maybe 25, 24. I kind of, you know, so I think, over that hit me a lot, like it really got me because she was a lovely, lovely girl, lovely family. Obviously, me and my peer group were all quite close and, to be I'll be totally honest, I hadn't actually spoken to her in quite a long time, but certainly when I was, you know, from the ages of, say, 15 to 20, you know we were all that peer group together and then obviously, as life happens, you all go your separate ways, but it's still gutting when you see someone you used to hang around with has passed away. And you know, we, I was thinking to myself. I do this. I always lull myself into a false sense of security that you think you're invincible or that everyone you know and loving cherish is invincible, until something like that happens.

Speaker 2: 47:13

And it's also because in our heads, people who die are older than us.

Speaker 1: 47:17

Yes, yeah, 100% yeah. You don't expect it to be. You know you're made to your age or younger yeah. Yeah, exactly, exactly, and it's something that I don't know. There's. It's kind of like, I think, as you grow older, for you know, you have like big surreal moments in life, and I don't know if I need to get a psychologist on to talk about it or something, but you know a way like that. There's certainly pivotal moments in your life that I don't know. There's like it's it's overwhelming surrealism, like life feels raw, it feels present, it feels it's quite hard to articulate, isn't it? But we've all been there where, like we're sort of shook from, we're sort of shook from the matrix a little bit, and you really you realise life and all its fullness, sadness, happiness, for like a few minutes. Like you realise the complexity of life, you realise how, how enriching it is and how devastating it can be. But at the same time, you know we then go straight back onto our phones, get a lot, you know, go out, get pissed up. We are mates on Friday and Saturday night and we go on for potentially months or years and then something big happens in our life either getting married, another death, birth of a child or something and it's that real, real surreal moment that life really hits you. I don't know. You have like a kind of a weird temporary self-awareness or an awakening, so to speak. I mean, I'm talking, I'm rambling and talking a load of rubbish here, but again, this is something we all experience but can't really articulate. I think it's worth. That's an episode I think I would definitely love to tackle, but I don't even know how to talk about it. Like maybe like get a therapist on. Like what's happening in our brain, like chemically, when this is happening, or that kind of thing. Like what are your thoughts? Do you think honestly, do you think an episode like that is worth pursuing? Or what are your own kind of thoughts on that?

Speaker 2: 49:22

Yeah, well, because I think actually to get a professional on, because I think it would build on the topic that me and you blindly stumbled our way through, which was that bereavement and grieving.

Speaker 1: 49:35

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 49:37

Both like going. We're not professionals, but this is what we think and both of us were kind of really nervous to like stake any kind of make any stake in the ground kind of thing.

Speaker 1: 49:51

Yeah yeah, yeah, we were horrendously wrong.

Speaker 2: 49:53

So I think actually, it would build on that and to have a professional in to cover that bit and go. Yeah, you know, like we can actually do. I just got thinking, you know, it was really strange because you, as you were talking about that, it cast my mind back to, you know, going back quite a few years now because I'm old and again, when, a when, a guy who, like similar age again, it's like, you know, I was in my early 20s and this lad who hadn't quite yet reached 20s I think I was 20, 21 maybe and this lad who was 19, just, you know, and gone, like you were saying, like with this friend of yours, and as you were talking, my brain was going back to that, yeah, and so, and this is something that happened years ago, and I'm like, oh, and I was an old boy. I know it's something I've processed and dealt with it still didn't stop a moment of feeling sad. Yeah, exactly, you know if you're talking, I'm like, oh, you know, oh man, that's really sad. And so, actually, you know, and so having that kind of open and frank discussion about those things and how, because you know those are the things in life that ambushes- yes.

Speaker 1: 51:07

Yes, so that was really well said. That's what I think I was trying to say earlier. Like you just get ambushed by life, don't you yeah?

Speaker 2: 51:18

And it's kind of like you know, I know your sort of your strap line is, you know, giving you the tools to thrive, but you know, like you know, you know we'll all have our tutor bog forest moments where there's nothing we can do about it, you know, and you're ambushed, gone, you know and and so actually, like you know, there are some things like like you know, like that you can be prepared for in terms of, like, people passing away or those kinds of things. But there are moments that you can and like you know, like so you know, when a friend or a close family member says I've been diagnosed with cancer, you know, or one of those kind of moments you know that's a full on ambush, isn't it? Yeah, 100%, or you know, or wherever it might be, you know, like. So just yesterday evening at church, just as we were finishing the service, the minister stood up again. Everything had finished and he said I've just had a text message from when it was someone else in the church and they just had to call an ambulance for their son to be taken to hospital.

Speaker 1: 52:27

You know, and that's like you know it was a real that was a real ambush moment, you know.

Speaker 2: 52:34

And so I think, like it's not so much you can't you can't be prepared for every one of those eventualities but to have tools, like you were saying tools to thrive or or something that's like a pattern of thought or whatever it is that you know you can reach into to start the process in, rather than it becoming a monster in the shadows. I think that's really valuable. So I think that's a really good like. I think I think relationships and dealing with bereavement, grief and those kinds of things, I think they're, I think they're both really good prime topics. So, yeah, I think that's it. I am looking forward to listening to them already. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:31

Yeah, I'm really glad you said all that and it sort of just hits the nail in the head on what I'm trying to achieve in this podcast. But at the same time, I think I really like the Roman reference there, tudorburg forest you know, we all have our moments there like that. There are a lot of people who don't know that reference. There's plenty of stuff online. Go have a look. But I think I'm a nerd, sorry. Yeah, I'd thank goodness. So I think you know I would probably just say I think a potential episode in the future you may have stepped in yourself. And again, nathan, you know, surviving your Tudorburg forest We've already did survive the crossing the Rubicon, already crossed the Rubicon. But we have a whole Roman series. Now you started and I have a whole series on what Roman can teach us.

Speaker 2: 54:22

Even Pareto.

Speaker 1: 54:25

Yeah, I wish I was cultured enough to know what that is.

Speaker 2: 54:31

It's just greeted the emperor Even parents.

Speaker 1: 54:35

Oh, let's see, yeah, it's so. It's something I love about about having our discussions as well. Just be chatting absolute nonsense, but then like a little thing of yeah, actually that could be really useful to the future. Somewhere, somewhere up the dung that gets spewed out of our marries, we always seem to find a little diamond that we can polish. I think audience can get some value from. And I mean, like we don't have a huge YouTube audience at this stage, but like I mean tuning in weekly to see that very handsome beard of yours is screwed the content. Just come in and see Nathan, that handsome beard.

Speaker 2: 55:18

Oh, I was. There's some people that they were asking me to if I would ever consider cutting it off completely. I hope you answer no exactly resigning now.

Speaker 1: 55:35

No, yeah, yeah, talk to the hand. Yeah, not happening.

Speaker 2: 55:41

Well, you see, if I had a firehead affair, yes, gone, but I have to make up for what's lacking, so you're going for, you're going for the Ragnar Loughbrook.

Speaker 1: 55:52

Look, that's a jolly, a jolly, ragnar.

Speaker 2: 55:57

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:59

Rez, rez I when I go, when I go.

Speaker 2: 56:02

Who gets out of breath? Go up the stairs, yeah, yeah Right.

Speaker 1: 56:08

By the end of Vikings, ragnar was 50. He was definitely not. He's not a spring chicken then, not saying you weren't? I think you're very handsome fellow, but we're going to compare Ragnar. Ragnar, I think, was like 52 in the series ended or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the subject that new series of Vikings is coming out, which is uh ah, here's a question for you If you had the option to have a little excursion back in time, maybe spend a bit of time mixing with the locals? Would you rather be a Viking or Roman?

Speaker 2: 56:42

Oh, that's.

Speaker 1: 56:43

Oh see.

Speaker 2: 56:45

I like, I like, I like. I like the Vikings for their law, as in LOR Rhee, like their legends, their um, the sagas, yeah, um. But I just like the Romans, man, I just like the Romans. They would be like they. They, they saw a problem, formed a shield wall and smashed the problem out of the way.

Speaker 1: 57:06

I like it.

Speaker 2: 57:07

You know, there we go. Oh, that's, that's a really inconvenient army. You've got there, and you know.

Speaker 1: 57:18

I don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2: 57:20

It's kind of interesting because it's kind of um, every kind of empire or or wherever seems to sort of generate its own kind of officer class, um who, who seemed to abandon any kind of sense of reason or logic and just assume they can do something because they've said so. Um but like, but I think, I think it's one of these weird things as well, isn't it? Cause if you're going back in history, really, um, and even, I suppose, even now, really, if you you wouldn't want to go back and just be just a normal Norseman or Norse person or a normal Roman citizen, you'd have to be like a, a cow or a or a senator, you know. Do you know what you'd have to be in that kind of um, um, peer group, because otherwise you just wouldn't be enjoying anything. No, like people complain about, like knife crime in London, it's like knife crime in Rome was death by natural causes.

Speaker 1: 58:23

You know, it's like you know, yeah, yeah. I mean, like we go to watch football matches and I and you know, somebody falls over or somebody steps in their toe, and then you had the Coliseum, like, literally, like people are getting chopped and hacked and like, oh man, it's not even a comparison, is it? Oh, do you know what? Actually, I was thinking about this as well. I'm not even sure what time in history I'd like to go back. Um, I've, I've had to go back. I think there is something appealing about Rome. On the other hand, I think I'd really like to go back to um prehistory, because, from what I've seen, apparently only 5% of human history has been recorded. Do you think of, like, all the heroes, sagas, countries and tales of adventure that were never recorded? And I don't know if I could just cheat my way through like a time time machine, google Right, yeah, that sounds interesting, let's go watch this battle. Or like, let's see this country, like civilization rising, for I think there's so like it's amazing to think that you know, with all our species and all the struggles and all of this, that and the other, that only 5% of it's been recorded. You know, and something that blew my mind as well was that if you were to like people. It's like it was a kind of like trying to be like a feel good, kind of not meme as such, but like, realize, like picture. It was like you know, if you, if you ever feel down about yourself, remember that you know, if you were to go back 10 times and your family to your great, great, great, you know, to the power of 10 grandparents on both sides and you know, beyond that's 2,600 people who had to survive war, death, famine, disease, you know, and every other thing in life to get you where you are today. So if you can imagine 2,600 people dedicated just getting you to where you are and your success is like actually you know it pays to just crack on, no matter whatever you're you're going through. It's like you know, if I've got 2,600 people who slaved away so I could sit here and chat on a podcast or, you know, do whatever I can, there's not a lot to come. I can complain about life, but in the grand perspective it likes not so bad when you think about it.

Speaker 2: 1:00:50

No, you've got a good point, that's. I mean, that's a, that's a. Really it does kind of put our problems into a perspective as well. That doesn't it Like you know any kind of mornings or weddings that we might have. And I'm not saying that you know people's complaints are invalid, I'm just saying you know, it sort of maybe challenges how we conduct ourselves in those moments.

Speaker 1: 1:01:15

Yeah, and.

Speaker 2: 1:01:17

I think that's really important as well.

Speaker 1: 1:01:19

No, you're 100% right, man, and I think that I think that I think 95% of people think that way anyway. I think it's just. It just helps with the media to, you know, sell bad news if they show, you know, a blue haired, very deranged individual screaming that the you know all the world is bad and it's like, and then you've got obviously someone on the opposite side of that scale. You know who is shouting back at them. It's like, you know, this is probably 2, 3% of society, but you're constantly putting them on the news and constantly putting them out there as if this is like what the majority think, when I think society is very much more like me and you. We have differing opinions on things, but we still go to the pub and I still class you as a good friend and still learn from you all the time and wish I had an epic beard like that. It's like, you know, it's just. Yeah, I think. I think I would like to think we're more representative of what society actually is. You know, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:24

Yeah, I think there's a lot of ink has been spilled on trying to divide people.

Speaker 1: 1:02:33

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:02:34

Which is which is really sad and not enough time or care is being come, and I think you know, like you know, the curious estimate is a place where I think that's happening. You know where you're trying to do the reverse of, you know, pointing no-transcript, point out the differences in an enjoyment way rather than in a hatred way, but also pointing out the similarities and the overlap in a really good and positive way as well. So, good on you, man. Keep up the hard work.

Speaker 1: 1:03:24

Yeah, I appreciate it, man, and maybe that's an episode Try and get a respectable journalist on one that's actually balanced, which I suspect that's going to be difficult to find in today's world. But you know I'm up for the challenge.

Speaker 2: 1:03:41

Yeah yeah, yeah I think there was a sorry go on.

Speaker 1: 1:03:45

No, no, no, you go on first. It's unfortunate, there's a bit of lag in my zoom here, which means I keep interrupting you.

Speaker 2: 1:03:51

No worries, I'm just thinking that kind of thing. There's like a memory I have. There was a when I was living in Portsmouth. There was a pub we used to go to that had a because it had a really good pub quiz and we realized very quickly that we were far too thick to ever win the pub quiz. But there was the landlord and the quiz master would buy a round of drinks for the team that had the best name.

Speaker 1: 1:04:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:22

And we figured out very quickly where their sense of humor was at, and so we would gauge our team name around their humor in order to win that. Because we also figured that a round of drinks was probably about the same amount of money as we were going to get from the pot, so actually it was worth just getting a round of drinks. Do you know what I mean? So he's like let's do it that way, and the one week we knew we weren't going to win the best name and we doffed our caps to these four lads that they turned up and their name was a Jew, an Irishman, an Arab and a Frenchman walk into a pub and we were like well, don't you have? won. We can't beat that. And these, just these four lads you could clearly tell they were best of friends and they were just having an absolute riot together, having a laugh and participating in this pub quiz. And we're like lads you've won the round of drinks and you deserve it. It was great and rightly so, and they did that night. They won the round of drinks, well deserved. And I love that, yeah, yeah, but like what I'm saying, there's four people who, if you like society or media, would tell them that they shouldn't be friends, would highlight the differences, the things that the other person is wrong about. But these were just four lads who were just sitting up Interestingly, one of them was only drinking soft drinks, but like, happy just to sit there, happy to participate in the pub in the quiz, and just like us, were sat there scratching they're going. What is the answer? You don't know how to answer this question. But it was great and it was but, and so I love you. Know, when you see those little groups of people who are like you know I see what you're trying to push on me. But you know, fuck on, I'm going to be friends with who? I'm going to be friends with Great.

Speaker 1: 1:06:25

On your bike, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:06:27

All in favour of that kind of behaviour.

Speaker 1: 1:06:29

Yeah, 100%, and I hope I'm going to make plenty of friends with loads of people I disagree with and people who share, you know, the same sort of worldview that, while we disagree, the freedom to exchange knowledge so that every, all parties benefit. I think that's. That's the future of the curious Ulsterman, absolutely yeah, I think that's as good a note the end on as any. But to end it properly, I would like to raise a glass to you, nathan, and to every guest and to all our lovely audience. And so, yeah, I I've had a lovely 50th episode, nathan, I hope you have as well.

Speaker 2: 1:07:15

Thank you, it's been. That's a privilege to be on it. What a treat.

Speaker 1: 1:07:18

Yeah, exactly, and I hope to have you on for many, many more and I hope you, the audience, will join us for many, many more.

Speaker 2: 1:07:25

Yes, please.

Speaker 1: 1:07:26

Yeah, 100%. I think that's the. I think that's the way to call it a wrap. I don't have anything special to say for a 50th episode, except thank you very much and I love you all. Stay curious, stay curious, cheers everyone. There you go, folks. That concludes the 50th episode of the curious Ulsterman. And we are totally winging this out. Drunk is. Yeah, normally I have a fixed one, but we're just, it's the 50th. We'll do one, won't we Nathan?

Speaker 2: 1:07:54

Yeah, yeah. Normally at this point you're giving the listeners some actionable points and if you don't mind me hijacking this, I'm going to outro with some actionable points of my own, please do You're good sir. So please, dear listener, give the curious Ulsterman some feedback, Let him know what you're thinking of his podcast so far and also let us know what topics you want covered, so that we are giving you the best quality that we can and also share the podcast with a friend you know don't just keep this value to yourself. It's too good to sit on.

Speaker 1: 1:08:37

Yeah, I like that Someone else. Thank you very much, nathan. I appreciate that, that little gem out of nowhere. Thank you very much. Yeah, if you've tuned in for the first time today, thanks a million If you're a seasoned listener. Bottom of my heart, and probably from Nathan's as well, thank you very much, eternally grateful. Yes, you know the rules with all these things Share it, subscribe, leave a rating review and, yeah, I hope you enjoyed our little ramblings today. It was totally. No episode is scripted, but today it was totally winging it and, yeah, we just had a lot of fun and got slightly drunk.

Speaker 2: 1:09:14

So yeah, yeah, don't call it so for me.

Speaker 1: 1:09:21

I'm calling it on that one. Yeah, folks, I hope you had a really good time. I had a fantastic time chatting with my good friend, as always and last time when I started this episode. And yeah, until next time, folks. I wish you all the best. Bye for now.